Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Miss Dev's column >>

MISS DEV

The Beer Sherpa
Articles Posted: 61  Links Seeded: 291
Member Since: 1/2006  Last Seen: 5/05/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

If Palin's Daughter's Pregnancy is Off-Limits, Then So is Her Son's Military Service

Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
politics, republicans, democrats, mccain, sarah-palin, palin, john-mccain, abortion, reproductive-rights, bristol-palin, trig-palin, track-palin
By Miss Dev
Advertise | AdChoices

There has been a lot of discussion in the past two weeks about every aspect of vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's life from her mayoral and gubernatorial service to her family. After much speculation about the maternity of Palin's youngest son, Trig, and the revelation of her eldest daughter, Bristol's, pregnancy, both the McCain and Obama camp said, in no uncertain terms, that candidates families, especially their kids, are a forbidden subject.

But, if the vice presidential nominee' daughter's pregnancy is off-limits, then so is the military service of her son, Track. She can't have it both ways. Either her family is off-limits, or they are not.

If we follow what is, and isn't, being covered in the media: we can't talk about how Palin handled the birth of her son, Trig, but we can talk about how her husband is 1/8th Yu'pik Eskimo (not Inuit as some have claimed). Bristol's pregnancy is a no-no, but her engagement to Levi Johnson is fine. Palin's choice to have carry to term a baby with Down Syndrome is more than acceptable, but don't mention anything about her other son's motivations behind joining the military.

It begs the question, if Palin's family is such a taboo subject - then why did she spend over five minutes of her vice presidential acceptance speech talking about them?

All families have their good times and their bad. We all have something in our lives, and the lives of those that we love that inspire pride, and others that inspire embarrassment. But all of those things combine to make up who we are and the fabric of our families. It is admirable that Track Palin is joining the military, that he's deploying to Iraq in a time of war. It is something that most any family would be proud of and it does indeed give Palin a unique view of the war and of military service. However, she is not the first mother to send her son off to war, and she will not be the last. She's not even the first parent in this campaign to watch his or her son go off to war, specifically, this war. Both John McCain and Joe Biden have sons who are active military personnel, and are either currently serving or preparing to serve in Iraq. McCain's son, Sidney, joined the Marines in 2006 as soon as he turned 18. Biden's son, Beau, is a member of the Delaware Army National Guard, and will be deployed to Iraq in October. Both of these men have sons who will be risking their lives for their country on foreign soil - yet neither has felt the need to highlight this fact. They seem unwilling to whore out their sons' service in order to further their political careers. They recognize that it is what they, themselves, have done that has the most importance in this campaign.

And yet Palin seems to have no qualms about mentioning her son's choice frequently. And since it seems okay to talk about her son's choice, what about her daughter's choice? It's clear that the Palin children have been raised with a sense of duty to country (despite Todd Palin's alleged involvement with a separatist political party) and respect for service (political and military). So it's not a surprise that Track would have chosen to enlist. However, the children were also raised with a strict religious, "abstinence only" emphasis at home. Therefore it's should be more surprising that 17-year-old Bristol Palin is five months pregnant. This is a subject that both the McCain and Obama camps have said is strictly forbidden from being discussed. Why? Palin wants to parade her son's service like some badge of honor upon her own chest, then why can't the pregnancy of her unmarried, minor daughter be a badge of shame? But let's get it straight - we are not saying that Bristol herself should be scrutinized or that she should in any way be made to suffer during her mother's campaign. She is already facing an incredibly tough task - that of motherhood and marriage at a very young age - she has enough on her plate. The reason that Bristol's pregnancy is so important is that it shows that even in the staunchest of abstinence only households, that form of "sexual education" does not work. It's an issue of policy, not privacy.

To move to the subject of privacy, what about the birth of the five month old Trig? Palin kept her pregnancy a secret from even her family until the seventh month and then, knowing that the fetus was trisomy 21 and the pregnancy was high risk, Palin still chose to give a speech in Texas, fly back to Alaska, and pass up at least two hospitals between her water breaking and delivery. OB/GYNs agree that the chance of infection greatly increases the more time spent between the membranes rupturing and the baby being delivered. In a high-risk pregnancy, it is even more crucial to make sure the mother is in as sterile and safe an environment as possible after labor sets in. Luckily, Trig was delivered safely and appears to be a very healthy baby boy. However, there are laws all across the country that limit what a mother may or may not do during her pregnancy. Will Palin uphold these laws putting fetal rights above parental rights? It's not a question she's addressed, but it's a valid one none-the-less. Afterall, she opposes abortion even in the case of rape or incest, another issue of reproductive rights. She has also participated in a protest outside of an OB/GYN's office who opposed banning abortion with the goal of disrupting his business and harassing the women practice (which is a federal crime). Why does she feel she has more of a right to privacy than the women who went to that clinic that day? She refuses to answer questions about her decisions during the pregnancy with Trig, but seems to have no problem confronting women going in to see their OB/GYN.

But back to the subject of choice. There are rumors circulating about Track's enlistment in the military. These rumors have been disputed, but have yet to be disproved. They are that Track got into trouble with the law because of vandalism of school buses and underage drinking. In a plea-bargin, he agreed to join the army rather than face charges. Since the Governor's office at the time of the enlistment refused to discuss some of the details of his enlistment, and the McCain campaign will certainly not respond to these allegations, they will remain in the relm of speculation. However, if we take them to be true, then it would mean that Track Palin did not choose to join the army out of sense of country or honor, but rather joined the army because there wasn't a better option. You could even go so far as to say he was forced to join the army considering what a conviction and possible jail time would do to his mother's political career. Now, back to Bristol Palin. The most her mother's campaign is willing to say about her is that she has "chosen" to keep the baby and marry the father. Again, the question of how much of a choice this really was is raised. We know that Palin opposes abortion in all cases, but does her daughter? Her daughter clearly didn't buy into the abstinence only view of sexual education, just as her mother rejected her grandfather's science teachings. Maybe Bristol always planned to keep the baby - or maybe even to carry to term and then give the child up for adoption - again, these are things we'll never know. The fact is that she is pregnant and is planning on keeping the baby. Then we bring in Levi Johnson, who is almost certainly being used by the campaign so that Bristol isn't portrayed as a single mother and that they appear more of the "traditional" family. Of course, this is a sort of family tradition as Sarah Palin was very likely already pregnant with Track when her and Todd eloped in 1988. However, one would hope that Palin and her husband got married because of love, rather than political pressure.

But do these matters really apply to the McCain/Palin campaign? While she may not believe that her family life should have any bearing on the campaign, her family-oriented policies most certainly do. When examining where she stands on various family and reproductive issues such as sexual education, family planning, abortion, special needs children and fetal rights, then it's not inappropriate to see how these subjects have affected Palin's own life. Included in those effects are the decisions of her children as opposed to Palin's own beliefs. Palin herself has said that children do not have to agree with their parents. This is especially highlighted when comparing Palin's views on global warming and creationism with her father's as a school science teacher. So why is the campaign trying so hard to fit Palin's family into some sort of mold? What is it that they are afraid of? If Palin's family is truly separate from the campaign, and thus outside the scope of questioning, then they should not be given such a public place in it.

While it may be a long time (or never) before we know about Track's supposed criminal past or if Bristol and Levi's engagement is more than just a play put on for the constituents, these raise valid questions for the McCain/Palin campaign:

    (A) if your family is so off-limits, then why do you parade certain aspects of it around like show ponies?
    (B) how can you be so certain that the choices you make for your family will work for every family?

It is intensely hypocritical to say that one child's decisions cannot even be discussed by the media while the other one's decisions should be celebrated by that same media. Either your family is fair game, or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of your life and your family are examined, scrutinized, and criticized.

I hate to be the first to tell you, but you're not in Wasilla anymore.

© Devon Adams 2008. No part of this article may be reproduced or otherwise used without the express, written consent of the author.

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Back To Top | Front Page

Published to:

  • Miss Dev's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Election News, Journalism on Newsvine, Left of Center, Native Peoples of the Americas, Newsvine Blue, ObamaExpress, Old viners, Political Analysis, Queer Agendas, Sarah Palin Watchdog, Writers Without Boundaries
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (70)
Miss Dev

Please note that the Code of Honor will be enforced, and anyone who violates the CoH will be subject to having their comments deleted.

Thank you.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
nearing

Terrific read, MD!!!

You makes some very valid pints that I am sure will not be addressed by any of the Pailn apologists here on the Vine.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
ThePef

Absolutely awesome work, and spot on. Now we can add to this list of off limits the investigation into firing, that apparently is the work of the Obama campaign, so now we won't answer any questions. Is this lady for real?

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Miss Dev,

Either your family is fair game, or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of your life and your family are examined, scrutinized, and criticized.

Just curious... why is Palin's family so much of importance to you? Would her family be much of an interest if Bristol wasn't pregnant..?

Why would anybody want to demean children/teens? I think all anybody is looking for, is something negative to talk about or in Miss Dev's words to...

examined, scrutinized, and criticized

on the Palin family.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
ThePef

iluv, The question isn't about demeaning, as much as the GOP and the conservative right would like to make people think it is. It is about the hypocrisy or shear boldness of someone to parade their family around like centerpieces and then claim that they should be sheltered when people start questioning the families decisions as it relates to US policy making.

You never saw the Clinton's discussing or parading Chelsea around during Bill's election runs, in fact they wanted her sheltered so they made a point not to place her in the public eye, unlike Palin. It just goes to show you that she is no "hockey mom". A caring mother would never throw her children around like they were ornaments. I have little to no respect for Palin for doing that, and even less when she back slides away from criticism.

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
lisaed

ThePef---just how has Sarah Palin "paraded" around any of her children? Details please will be appreciated.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
kingmarty

She has mentioned in several speeches the fact that her son has entered the army and is going to Iraq. She has also paraded the fact that her youngest son has Down's Syndrome and because of that her time in Washington will be spent fighting to ensure that parents with disabled children won't have to struggle.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
lisaed

She has mentioned in several speeches the fact that her son has entered the army and is going to Iraq.

kingmarty--how many speeches have you personally heard her deliver? I want a number. And with regard to Down's Syndrome--I heard her mention it once in her acceptance speech at the convention. And since when will it ever be a bad thing to have an advocate for disabled children in the Vice President's office?

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
kingmarty

I've watched every speech she's made since agreeing to become the VP nominee. There's nothing wrong with her fighting for benefits for disabled children. I think it's hypocritical that the positive spin areas of her family are perfectly ok to discuss, but the negative things are strictly off limits.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

ThePef,

iluv, The question isn't about demeaning, as much as the GOP and the conservative right would like to make people think it is.

Yes, it is about demeaning the Palin family. The attack on that family has nothing to do with the campaign, it is of no importance to any of us. If Bristol had not got pregnant we would not be having this discussion. This discussion is solely to trash talk Sarah Palin and her family. Bristol's pregnancy is not the only thing being talked about here that is of no importance. Therefore it is about demeaning.

It is about the hypocrisy or shear boldness of someone to parade their family around like centerpieces and then claim that they should be sheltered when people start questioning the families decisions as it relates to US policy making.

Palin gave a speech, she didn't parade her children around, nor did she brag and say her children are perfect. That's not hypocrisy. The Palin families decisions relates to US policy making???

You never saw the Clinton's discussing or parading Chelsea around during Bill's election runs

They did for Hillary's.

A caring mother would never throw her children around like they were ornaments

A caring mother supports her children through thick and thin, and that's what she's doing. A caring mother is pro-life and gives her baby a chance at life.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
Moe Macarow

Wonderful article - thank you for being the first person I've run across to make the comparisions that need to be made between what the McCain/Palin campaign says the media can and can't cover. It's not a one way street - what is "off limits" in one setting should indeed be off limits at all times, not just when it's politically expedient.

And on that same note, why is Obama's wife not "off limits" to the media? Her comments have been repeatedly taken entirely out of context during the election cycle. If the Palin campaign is so obsessed with the candidate's family being an "off limit" area, shouldn't they hold the same standards when addressing the Obama/Biden campaign?

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
ThePef

ummm. Chelsea is a college graduate now. The decision was hers and hers alone at this point. Give me a break on the "caring mother" is pro-life bit.

She has constantly and consistently talked about her son's deployment in her speeches. Must I go through the text on everyone? Seriously.

This woman is dangerous, and you can't see it. Have you bothered to watch her preaching to the church congregation. She truly and deeply believes she is an agent of god and will stop at nothing to obtain what she perceives is her destiny.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Moe Macarow,

And on that same note, why is Obama's wife not "off limits" to the media? Her comments have been repeatedly taken entirely out of context during the election cycle. If the Palin campaign is so obsessed with the candidate's family being an "off limit" area, shouldn't they hold the same standards when addressing the Obama/Biden campaign?

Well let's start with the fact that Bristol is 17, and isn't out campaigning for Sarah. Let's also include that Michelle has attacked our country numerous of times. You can't possibly believe attacking Bristol, a 17 yr. old is the same thing.
Oh and let's not forget Obama stated that the family is off limits

"in no uncertain terms"

So it's not just the Palin campaign.

ThePef,

Chelsea is a college graduate now. The decision was hers and hers alone at this point.

Sure it was.

She has constantly and consistently talked about her son's deployment in her speeches.

And...she's a proud caring mother.

This woman is dangerous, and you can't see it.

LMAO are you serious...? I thought she was just a hockey mom.....

All I'm saying is the kids should be off limits.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
ThePef

I am saying her religious fanaticism is what is dangerous about her. Check her record out, it isn't exactly a shining example of how to run a government.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

I am saying her religious fanaticism is what is dangerous about her.

Really, then you should think that Obama's insanely dangerous.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
Moe Macarow

iluvmyblog:

And on that same note, why is Obama's wife not "off limits" to the media? Her comments have been repeatedly taken entirely out of context during the election cycle. If the Palin campaign is so obsessed with the candidate's family being an "off limit" area, shouldn't they hold the same standards when addressing the Obama/Biden campaign?

Well let's start with the fact that Bristol is 17, and isn't out campaigning for Sarah. Let's also include that Michelle has attacked our country numerous of times. You can't possibly believe attacking Bristol, a 17 yr. old is the same thing.
Oh and let's not forget Obama stated that the family is off limits

"in no uncertain terms"
So it's not just the Palin campaign.

First let me agree with you by saying that I agree that kids should always be off limits during campaigning. I'm not for the media jumping on Palin's children, McCain's children, Biden's children, or Obama's children. It just makes no sense and is largely irrelevant to the election.

I will also clarify by saying that Michelle Obama and Bristol Palin are clearly of differing ages and differing levels of involvement in the respective campaigns.

All of that aside, the point I guess I'm trying to make is that I feel as though Palin especially is crying wolf over her family being decended on by the media. The McCain/Palin campaign has jumped all over Obama's family numerous times. The media have jumped all over Obama's family. This isn't to say that either sides actions are right, but it seems hypocritical to deride what your campaign turns around and does to its opponents.

I'm also somewhat more skeptical about Palin's problems with her family being brought into the limelight because I believe that she does bring them up with astonishing frequency - and as a part of her qualifications for office no less - for someone that doesn't want her family directly involved in the campaign.

I think we both agree that it's "not just the Palin campaign" engaging in tactics that bring families of candidates under scrutiny; however, the handling of the McCain/Palin campaign of Palin's credentials in relation to her family does make me less likely to be sympathetic.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Moe Macarow,

All of that aside, the point I guess I'm trying to make is that I feel as though Palin especially is crying wolf over her family being decended on by the media. The McCain/Palin campaign has jumped all over Obama's family numerous times. The media have jumped all over Obama's family. This isn't to say that either sides actions are right, but it seems hypocritical to deride what your campaign turns around and does to its opponents.

I agree, it does go both ways. I believe both sides have gotten some very harsh things said about them. I have stated that, we should all leave the family alone, especially when kids are involved. There are plenty of other issues that are important and we should be discussing.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
Moe Macarow

iluvmyblog:

Hopefully, the media will recognize the importance of talking about the issues that actually matter in a political campaign soon, too!

  • 2 votes
#1.17 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Hopefully, the media will recognize the importance of talking about the issues that actually matter in a political campaign soon, too!

Agreed. We can help too by not keeping this kind of news alive.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:48 PM EDT
oldcrankyman

If Bristol had not got pregnant we would not be having this discussion

That's pretty self evident, given the title of the article. If pigs could fly, we'd all need helmets too.

Ms. Palin has seen fit to allow herself to be the religious nut family values addition to the ticket. Therefore what her family does is relevant to a discussion about whether she can walk the walk, or just talks the talk. Simple deal.

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
ThePef

iluv, why would Obama be insanely dangerous? At least I used some hard core known facts to make my case, not sure what you are referring to, maybe you are ...

  • 5 votes
#1.20 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
Reply
lisaed

Methinks you're just upset because with both McCain and Palin having brave children serving in our military it makes them seem like the kind of Commander In Chief material that I know at least this American would very much like to have.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
Miss Dev

Why would I be upset that they have children in the military? I think it's an amazing, admirable thing for the children. The fact that McCain has hardly mentioned his son's service shows me that McCain refuses to use his son for political gain. Besides, McCain's military service is extensive and stands on it's own. You have to ask, why does Palin lean so heavily on her son's service?

  • 17 votes
#2.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
TheJonesGirl

By that token, Lisa, then you should be happy to have Biden as VP. Correct?

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
nearing

lisaed, me thinks you didn't read the article.

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
jdoyle

Methinks you're just upset because with both McCain and Palin having brave children serving in our military

Like Bush and Cheney have?

  • 8 votes
#2.4 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
JD in VA

Sen. Biden's son deployed on the same day as Gov. Palin's. Or did you forget?

  • 12 votes
#2.5 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
Isabella-37

And Biden didn't use it as a campaign photo op.

  • 12 votes
#2.6 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
lisaed

You have to ask, why does Palin lean so heavily on her son's service?

Miss Dev--oh what basis are you making this assessment in the two weeks that Palin has been the GOP VP pick? I think it's false. We'll see how she "leans" on this as you claim over the next few weeks. And you are quite correct McCain never mentions the service of his sons. I heard it first and only once so far on the campaign trail from McCain's daughter in an interview with Hannity.

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
oldcrankyman

Miss Dev--oh what basis are you making this assessment in the two weeks that Palin has been the GOP VP pick? I think it's false.

As pointed out above, the Repubs chose to make it a photo op to remind the weak minded how patriotic she is. lisaed, I'd have to say it's pretty silly to get mad at other people for what YOUR candidate does.

Step back, take a breath and look at things with an open mind.

  • 3 votes
#2.8 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
Reply
kingmarty

Excellent article. The McCain/Palin campaign seems to be filled with "hide from our faults, pretend they don't exist."

Like her support of the Bridge to No Where. Or his record of voting with President Bush 95% of the time.

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
crooked6p

Please don't do this.... don't get the campaigns involved. My money's still on her withdrawing.

If the vet doesn't have to Vet, and the press doesn't have to Vet, we really should keep our hands off. And really, sorry, honestly, no family deserves to have all of their laundry hung out to dry in front of the world.

American's are really good at this. They don't mind having open discussions of things that deserve the respect of family privacy, or national privacy. I absolutely agree, unfortunately, that Sarah Palin could not have been a worse selection to be Vice President, and especially to be one heart beat away from our first multi-invalided president. But if the issues deserve to come up, then the candidates, or the press, etc., should make them public questions and not personal questions. If the voters know the issues and the positions, they don't need to know the hypocrisy or the problems of communicating those issues to the VP's kids.

I don't like this position. I just think, it's the right one.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
kingmarty

What about the Clinton's or the Obama's? Hasn't the media tried to pull out every "secret" they can find about them? Or what about the Spears family? How many times have you seen Brittany Spears having a break down on CNN? Why is it that only select families don't deserve to have all their dirty laundry aired out in public?

The short comings of her daughter/her are a prime example of why her views on abortion and sex ed are wrong.

By the "don't talk about their personal stuff" logic, McCain should stop mentioning the fact that he was a POW every time he gets within ten feet of a mic, that's a highly personal thing.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
Reply
publius76

I have had the same thought myself. I guess to me, it is different because her daughter is a minor. Not only that, i don't care what her daughter or son does. I think going after children should be off limits. There are enough issues to choose from and focusing on the kids is taking away from that.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

There are enough issues to choose from and focusing on the kids is taking away from that.

I agree. Let's discuss the real issues at hand. It's low to trash talk kids.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
Reply
TheJonesGirl

She uses her children as props when it suits her and whines when called on it. I was horrified at how Trig was passed around and paraded about on stage...I doubt if that is appropriate or healthy for a healthy 4 month old, let alone a special needs preemie!

  • 12 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
biggerthebetter

I have to wonder why the father never holds "his" baby. Every time you see the baby, he's in the arms of the "5 months pregnant" Bristol. Now, either that baby really IS hers, or you have a really uncaring father who refuses to hold his son and forces a pregnant girl to carry even MORE weight on her already burdened body.

  • 8 votes
#5.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
TheJonesGirl

Carrying a baby is women's work!

/sarcasm, though I have a feeling Todd Palin might just agree with that.

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
oldcrankyman

You don't see him holding the baby because that would tend to alienate the religious nuts who constitute the main reason for choosing her as VP nominee. They thought they had the perfect combo of female and religious nut to keep their base and steal some female votes.

They might just be right, it's not like most people are informed voters. It's DAMNED hard work sorting the BS from the truth these days, and nearly everybody gets their news from TV, word of mouth, or their email. Most people just plain don't have the capacity or desire to learn the truth.

"I just read today that the 2 biggest problems in the U.S. are ignorance and apathy.....did you know that?"

"No, and I don't care"

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
oldcrankyman

Oh yeah, great article, Miss Dev. I hope to see more in the future.

  • 6 votes
#5.4 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
Isabella-37

I have seen the father hold the baby once at the convention, and the mother once, on the stage at the convention. The rest of the time, the daughters hold the baby. When she arrived in Alaska last week, after not seeing any of her children, or holding that baby for a week, she walks up to them, and instead of taking that baby in her arms, she plants a kiss on his head, and walks away. What kind of mother does that after being away from her baby for a week? That whole story about her hubby being a stay at home daddy is BS. Shouldn't he be home with his kids instead of on the campaign trail with her? Those girls and her parents raise that baby. I don't care one way or the other, but those two trying to portray themselves as mom and pop of the year is a sham.

  • 8 votes
#5.5 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
KAB-280186

Exactly!!

    #5.6 - Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
    Reply
    SuperSaiyan

    This is an excellent assessment of this subject, Miss Dev.

    I personally think that the voters are voting on the positions and viewpoints of the candidates, including Palin, not what's happening with her family .

    I also think that it's great that her son is in the military defending our country, but at the end of the day, we should not vote for or against Palin because of just that or what anyone thinks of her daughter's pregnacy.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
    bereal-490886

    Again, the twisting of facts. The media did discuss the pregnancy, judged, the mother unfit, raked the subject over the coals endlessly, and both Obama and Mc Cain said enough is enough, in essence. I think this media is the most desperate group of amoral hypocrites this nation has yet seen. You teach defiance of God and standards and delight in others mistakes, as if that makes you right? Thousands of kids make take ill advise actions their parents warn against each day.

    But the liberal says so what, it's just protoplasm, dispose of it, the great society will pay.

    The kids may be quite fond of each other, hopefully so. And yes, contrary to what your society will
    pay for it, becasue they should not be punished by having a child (Mr Obama-oops you retracted that?) mentality says, they will learn responsibility.

      Reply#7 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
      nearing

      ?

      • 5 votes
      #7.1 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
      oldcrankyman

      ??

      • 2 votes
      #7.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
      publius76

      You teach defiance of God

      What?? Who??

      And yes, contrary to what your society will
      pay for it, becasue they should not be punished by having a child (Mr Obama-oops you retracted that?) mentality says, they will learn responsibility.

      Who? What?

      I am really not being sarcastic, I just don't understand.

      • 1 vote
      #7.3 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
      Robert.Merrill

      Just a reminder, it the Mcain-Palin campaign that issues a press release about the pregegnancy that started all this.

      • 1 vote
      #7.4 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
      Reply
      Allen-467039

      and does anyone believe young Palin will be on the front lines or "In the rear, with the gear"?

      • 4 votes
      Reply#8 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
      Allen-467039

      Hey, did anyone see the story where John McCain created the Blackberry?

      • 3 votes
      Reply#9 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
      Lisa Schneider

      As Todd and Sarah Palin roam the country...who's taking care of their special needs child? I'm pretty sure I know the answer on this, but will reserve it until I can back it up. I think this article is insightful...she uses her kids at the same time saying they're off limits...she constantly says she will represent special needs kids, but as Keith Olberman reported, she vetoed $255,000 for the Alsaka special olympics...she uses her kids, puts them in the national spotlight...no matter the pain it will cause them, and calls herself a mother...I haven't seen her be any kind of mother, both before and after her acceptance speech. As a single mother, she insults the sacrifices us mothers make for our children...I don't even have a man to fill in for me, and I spend more time with my daughter than either her or her husband do...she does not speak for me...I just signed up to volunteer for Obama...she has enlivened in me a passion to make sure she doesn't set foot in the Whitehouse to set a poor example for mothers and daughters in our country...the women of Alaska spoke up this past weekend...I stand with them.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#10 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
      Jeremy E. Malheim

      For me, a good analogy here is Law and Order. Stick with me here, I know I am using a TV show but I think it works. Every once in a while, Jack McCoy wants to use a piece of evidence. A motion gets passed by defense, and a judge rules that it is prejudicial so Jack can't use it. But then on the witness stand, the defendant brings up something that connects to that key piece of evidence Jack wanted and he jumps all over the defendant with questioning. The defense council objects and the judge rules "your client opened the door to this councilor."

      That is exactly what Palin has done here in my opinion. She opened the door to examinations of her family. You can't take hard line stances on things like sex education and not expect people to look at your own family. And you certainly can't use one of your children as a shining example without opening the door to the other children.

      I have been staying away from the political commentary on Newsvine, but this is a very good piece Miss Dev.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#11 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:12 AM EDT
      nearing

      Jeremy E. Malheim:

      She opened the door to examinations of her family. You can't take hard line stances on things like sex education and not expect people to look at your own family. And you certainly can't use one of your children as a shining example without opening the door to the other children.

      excellent point!!

      • 6 votes
      #11.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
      Reply
      iluvmyblog

      both the McCain and Obama camp said, in no uncertain terms, that candidates families, especially their kids, are a forbidden subject.

      Thought that this statement was pretty clear , maybe some people do not understand "in no uncertain terms".

      • 1 vote
      #12 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
      lisaed

      iluvmyblog--12.0-well apparently Ms Dev has shown us with this article---she didn't get that memo.

      • 2 votes
      #12.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
      nearing

      As Jeremy E. Malheim at #11 said:

      (Palin) she opened the door to examinations of her family. You can't take hard line stances on things like sex education and not expect people to look at your own family. And you certainly can't use one of your children as a shining example without opening the door to the other children.

      It wasn't Miss Dev that did it.

      • 6 votes
      #12.2 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      lisaed,
      lol apparently not ;) haha

      • 2 votes
      #12.3 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      nearing,

      (Palin) she opened the door to examinations of her family.

      No, it was the media, not Palin.

      You can't take hard line stances on things like sex education and not expect people to look at your own family

      Palin supports abstinence as well as comprehensive sex education, not explicit sex ed.

      And you certainly can't use one of your children as a shining example without opening the door to the other children.

      Pailn made a speech (yes it's obvious Pailn is proud of her son) ,she supports our troops hence why she spoke about her son joining. She's not using her son as a shining example. As for Bristol, she is a teen and should be off limits as well as the other children. They are children for crying out loud, why and what would you want to say about them?!?

      It wasn't Miss Dev that did it.

      Disagree, her article keeps the Palin children in the spotlight to be ridiculed.

      • 1 vote
      #12.4 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
      ThePef

      Explain the difference between comprehensive sex ed and explicit sex ed? Are you saying that some sex ed classes are using x rated photos and videos? If they are, sign me up! Just kidding.

      There goes the right again trying to inflame the public with use of verbage like "explicit".

      • 4 votes
      #12.5 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      ThePef,

      Explain the difference between comprehensive sex ed and explicit sex ed?

      Not sure exactly what she means but what I got from that was she doesn't agree with the explicitness IE. x-rated photos and videos. Maybe just enough for teens to know,grasp,& understand sex and the consequences.

      If they are, sign me up! Just kidding

      Sure you are... lol

      There goes the right again trying to inflame the public with use of verbage like "explicit".

      It's not inflaming the word. Have you ever seen a CD use the word explicit, you think they are inflaming it when there is content in the CD that is inappropriate for teens...
      I think that word was right and not all being inflamed.

      • 1 vote
      #12.6 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
      ThePef

      iluv, I still have never heard of an "explicit" sex ed class. Please try to dig one up for me, I don't believe they exist.

      • 3 votes
      #12.7 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
      kingmarty

      ThePefiluv, I still have never heard of an "explicit" sex ed class. Please try to dig one up for me, I don't believe they exist.

      Other than adult websites and adolescent fantasies I don't think they exist.

      • 4 votes
      #12.8 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      iluv, I still have never heard of an "explicit" sex ed class. Please try to dig one up for me, I don't believe they exist.

      You may or may not believe me but when I was in high school I had a sex ed class(only girls) in where our teacher would come once a week and she showed us how to put a condom a banana, with our mouth! She actually demonstrated it. It was kind of funny, being a teen but for a parent, not so much. I think that if my mom knew she would have been very angry and disgusted. She distributed glow in the dark condoms and all kinds of unnecessary things. I guess that would fall under the explicit part of sex ed...no....

      • 1 vote
      #12.9 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
      ThePef

      Sounds like an explicit sex ed class to me. I think your description of what was done in your class is an exception to the norm, at least I hope so. I don't think anyone mandates that kind of sex ed, including liberal dems, like myself.

      • 2 votes
      #12.10 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      Sounds like an explicit sex ed class to me.

      Yes, it surely was. I didn't think to much of it then, but it was wrong. That teacher went out of her way to teach things to young teen girls, that they should not know. She went above and beyound her duties, and not in a good way..lol

      I don't think anyone mandates that kind of sex ed, including liberal dems, like myself.

      Let's hope that is out of the norm and there aren't any other teachers like her out there.

      • 1 vote
      #12.11 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
      oldcrankyman

      Not sure exactly what she means

      But she's darned sure she's exactly correct!!

      not explicit sex ed

      The only people who have used these words are right wing flame artists. Mr. Obama has never used these words, period.

      You may or may not believe me but when I was in high school I had a sex ed class(only girls) in where our teacher would come once a week and she showed us how to put a condom a banana, with our mouth! She actually demonstrated it.

      And since that fits into her view of what Mr. Obama has in mind, that teacher was obviously sent back in time by the insidious Obamaists to subvert her in the past, to make her mind putty for thier deviant intentions in the present.

      • 3 votes
      #12.12 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
      oldcrankyman

      That teacher went out of her way to teach things to young teen girls, that they should not know.

      Given your description, I'd have to say that would be a matter of opinion...........LOL.

      • 1 vote
      #12.13 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
      Jeremy E. Malheim

      Pailn made a speech (yes it's obvious Pailn is proud of her son) ,she supports our troops hence why she spoke about her son joining. She's not using her son as a shining example.

      How is that not using him as a shining example? I have 9 years in, please don't trot the "supporting the troops" lines out at me. If she just wanted to show support for the troops, she could have picked any airman/marine/soldier/sailor out to talk about. She chose her son.

      I can't understand how you think it is OK for her to use one of her children as an example for her political beliefs and exempt the others from criticism. That seems pretty hypocritical to me.

      If we all have it wrong, and if Palin wants to be clear about her beliefs on sex education, she should state them plainly and in a straight forward matter. So far she has failed to do so. She has said nothing that leads me to believe she would support any type of comprehensive sex education. Palin has said some things that lead me to believe she would only support abstinence only education. Several studies have abstinence only education doesn't work.

      • 4 votes
      #12.14 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
      KAB-280186

      I didn't know we as the general public had to abide a direct order from McSame or President Obama.
      I will follow the next directive.

      WTF!

        #12.15 - Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
        Reply
        Zankee

        I personally don't care what container the water comes in.., as long as my thirst is quenched....

        Here's a different perspective....

        http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

          Reply#13 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
          Leave a Comment:
          You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
          You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
          (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
          Newsvine Privacy Statement
          As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
          FUN STUFF:
          • Leaderboard |
          • E-Mail Alerts |
          • Top of the Vine |
          • Newsvine Live |
          • Newsvine Archives |
          • The Greenhouse |
          COMPANY STUFF:
          • Code of Honor |
          • Company Info |
          • Contact Us |
          • Jobs |
          • User Agreement |
          • Privacy Policy |
          • About our ads
          LEGAL STUFF:
          • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
          • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
          • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com